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Luke
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW I had 6 or so college students from Kapiti keen to come this year. I run games for Kapiti college and they have a total of about 20+ RPGers.

The 6 that were keen expressed a concern over costs (when you add in train for two days and food it is quite an ask for a non-working student, especially when they don't know what they are getting into to). I explored the possibility of reduced entry fees for their first year (to $10) with Kapcon but it was considered preferential and declined. We ended up with just one (unfortunately not a very representative one at that).

Personally, I would like to have seen more enthusiasm over the prospect of new young RPGers coming to Kapcon and I hope that Kapcon discuss how best to deal with this kind of opportunity if it presents itself again. A few years ago we were pulling our hair out to get opportunities like this. On a positive note, I understand that Kapcon does have this very issue on the agenda. Yay!

I can't say what the results would have been had it gone ahead but I know the 1 who did come is keen to return next year. He has also talked to his mates and that alone has made them wonder if they should have come (unfortunately he holds little sway with his mates). My feeling is that if we had some of the more influential ones coming along, we could have doubled their number next year.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was rambling about how I felt slightly out of place, i wasn't meaning to attack the organizational structure at all. I just managed to get myself into a mood of outsiderness. It's fairly easy to do for me.

Re: Younger people. Isn't the death (or near death, I'm not sure) of Vic's RP club likely to have been a contributing factor in that?

Here it comes less to a Kapcon thing, and more to a general thing.

Really, as someone whose only been the once, I don't really feel like I should have a lot of say in the pricing or preferential schemes. Though I'd personally favour such a system with BoD had it ever seemed like it was an issue.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Confusion wrote:
Re: Younger people. Isn't the death (or near death, I'm not sure) of Vic's RP club likely to have been a contributing factor in that?


Possibly, though the trend has been happening for some time now.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mashugenah wrote:

There was only 1 school kid (Lucy), and a gaggle of a small half-dozen uni-age students, and even they were on the "graduating" end of Uni Student age.


Three that I knew off. My sister is just starting Year 13, and Basti is what...16? There were going to be more high schoolers involved in the Larp, but I hear they pulled out.

Offering a different rate for high schoolers and/or younger kids makes a bit of sense to me
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mundens wrote:
I disagree. We have a functional con that is holding steady or even growing slightly with around 20% turnover. If attendance was steadily falling then we might need to advertise to maintain that, if that was the desire of those attending

As it is, if we had any significant increase in numbers, we wouldn't be able to handle it, so we only want to advertise enough to stay as we are.


At KapCon '98 there was a massive surge in numbers. Poor Martin had to run all 6 sessions, having signed up and prepped for 1 or 2; he wasn't alone. Almost all GMs ran an extra session of their games - certainly all the senior GMs.

I feel confident that if you got a 20 player surge, kind folk like me would step up and GM 5/6 rounds.

Still Mundens wrote:
Tabletop role-playing and LARPing is primarily an old person's hobby.


I don't accept that at all. I know there have been advances in technology, but I find it hard to imagine that modern kids are more captivated by HALO than I was by Wolf 3D. I, and a lot of my generation, have had computers our whole lives and devoted massive amounts of time to playing various games... and still made it into this hobby.

But even assuming that there is a massive drop-off in numbers in the under-20s, I find it hard to believe that we got even a representative sample of what must remain along. A small handful can't be all that are out there.

IME, and obviously YMMV, the main reason I hear of people getting out of gaming is because their groups collapse and they don't know other gamers. So as a species protection mechanism we need to cultivate the youth.

Not in a creepy way. Smile

Now Jenni wrote:
How about a buddy system? If you want to see more kids at Kapcon you could offer to pay for their entry for one day?


I <3 that idea. (see, I'm cool!)

I/S wrote:
I have spreadsheet of 85 former attendees who have fallen off our list and who I'd like contact details for.


I do wonder how the statistics break down for attendance.

85 doesn't sound like a huge number, given how long the thing's been going. But I guess your records only go back to when George first ran it?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mashugenah wrote:
I/S wrote:
I have spreadsheet of 85 former attendees who have fallen off our list and who I'd like contact details for.


I do wonder how the statistics break down for attendance.

85 doesn't sound like a huge number, given how long the thing's been going. But I guess your records only go back to when George first ran it?


That's "people who I don't have an email address for". I also have 110 people on the "retired" sheet = people who have moved permanently overseas, who who haven't attended since 2003. I'm missing details for many of them as well, and reconnecting with them would be useful (though again, Facebook has been useful for this).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possibly to encourage the out-of-towners, there could be a place on the sign-up sheet to check if you were willing to host someone, and if so, how many people? And also, if you need somewhere to stay and a backpackers is too expensive. I know I could put up at least two people (three if two of the people were a couple), but I'm not precisely in the loop for that sort of thing.

Or it might prove to be too much work for the admin people, which is completely understandable. Just a thought.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will admit one of the reasons I look forward to Kapcon each year is a chance to see all the people from Auckland and Christchurch who I almost never see otherwise if only briefly. I am just sorry I was a bit stressed out and distracted on Saturday so didnt do as much talking to people as usual.

Its easy enough to pick out the new people and try and be friendly- just if they are indifferent you don't pressure them.

I know a lot of people picked up fliers from the store. I am not sure how many actually came from seeing those.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm totally down for introducing cheap student rates. Or we could put some money in for a high school student attendance fund, which I also think would be awesome.

*sigh* I used to be one of the young ones ;p
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adrexia wrote:
Offering a different rate for high schoolers and/or younger kids makes a bit of sense to me


I think $10 for the weekend for high-school kids (or $5 a day) is not unreasonable. And free if they're willing to GM. Think of it as subsidizing the youth who'll run Kapcon for us when we're old and grey...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conan wrote:
I'm not saying that we force them to talk to people, I'm asking what can be done so that they don't feel pushed out of Kacpon for just wanting to play games?


At risk of seeming banal: a place to sit would help.

The only official hang-out space being a crowd is a bit intimidating if you're not part of the in-crowd. But even if you're not very social, going off to sit on your own in an empty classroom is a bit sad. Having a bigger socializing space by expanding into another "main" room would permit people to hang out in a way that's neither part of the crowded group nor sadly lonely.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

icehawk wrote:
Conan wrote:
I'm not saying that we force them to talk to people, I'm asking what can be done so that they don't feel pushed out of Kacpon for just wanting to play games?


At risk of seeming banal: a place to sit would help.

The only official hang-out space being a crowd is a bit intimidating if you're not part of the in-crowd. But even if you're not very social, going off to sit on your own in an empty classroom is a bit sad. Having a bigger socializing space by expanding into another "main" room would permit people to hang out in a way that's neither part of the crowded group nor sadly lonely.


The problem with that is getting announcements to people, as well as the question of where to put them.

Maybe just getting more seating on Level 1 would be a good idea. I know that's half the reason I don't end up chatting in big groups - because the only place to sit is the ground.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freya wrote:
The problem with that is getting announcements to people, as well as the question of where to put them.


That problem exists anyway if people go find space in unused classrooms. If anything, additional "organised" seating space ameliorates it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To get back to issues form yesterday,

Yes I'm one of the guilty parties for leaving bags in the common area of level 1 during the day. If a baggage dump space for LARP props/ GM materials for later rounds was available and sign posted I would have used it. I appreciate this may take up a room which the organisation team may not have been keen on.

A room or space set aside for the "cafe"/ socialisation area may again be handy, but takes up another room and in the absence of vending machines will require staffing. This all increases the overhead on space and staff.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wisefool wrote:
A room or space set aside for the "cafe"/ socialisation area may again be handy, but takes up another room and in the absence of vending machines will require staffing. This all increases the overhead on space and staff.


I don't see why it requires staffing.

You'd get some people hanging out in there playing board games rather than an empty room. And it's not like the coffee urn and its honesty box get a lot of supervision in the current main room (and if the honesty box is emptied regularly it doesn't need it). Nor does your bag that you've left sitting on a bench in the current main room get careful supervision now.

Yes, it eats a room on the main level that could otherwise be used for games (and I do think it's important that it be adjacent to the 'main' room). So?

Don't start by assuming that we're short on space: start by figuring out what spaces we want and then figure out how to make that work. I'm sure solutions exist. Among many other options we could... Set up a table and chairs in the alcove in the corridor just beyond the lifts, on each of the 3 levels (Idiot ran a 9-person LARP in one of those spaces and we all fit nicely); Run some games in the 'main' rooms that the classrooms open off on the other two floors; put some games that are not "high energy" into the same room; expand into S-block.
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